My ten favourite Krishna songs
Today is Krishna Janmasthami, Krishna’s birthday. Krishna is the most favourite of all the Hindu deities in Hindi films and is sung about in many ways. Today while discussing with Madhu on Facebook, I started listing some Krishna songs, which came into mind and thus this list happened. It was made in a hurry, so pardon any mistakes made.
1. aan milo aan milo – Devdas [1955]
MD: S D Burman; Lyrics: Sahir; Singers: Geeta Dutt & Manna Dey
Longing for Krishna is a leitmotiv of many Krishna bhajans and in Bhakti tradition, which means the longing for the merging with the eternity. This has been used in many Hindi film songs to show the longing of a woman for her beloved like here Paro longs for her Devdas.
2. aaj sajan mohe ang laga lo – Pyaasa [1957]
MD: S D Burman; Lyrics: Sahir; Singer: Geeta Dutt
Similar emotions as above, though stressing more on the unification with the eternal one and becoming pure once again. Guru Dutt has used this very beautifully in this scene, where the street-walker Gulabo deeply in love with the poet Vijay (Guru Dutt) feels this love, passion and gets transformed through it. For me this is one of the crucial moments in the film, where Gulabo (Waheeda Rehman) finds love. Vijay himself, in whose love she undergoes this transformation is still far away from it. He understands the futility of all much later, after he has gone through his death and resurrection and emerges triumphant in that he renounces fame, power and wealth.
3. maane naa maane naa manmohana – Madam XYZ [1959]
MD: Chitragupt; Lyrics: Prem Dhawan; Singer: Lata Mangeshkar
I just discovered this today and wanted to share it with you!
4. mohe panghat pe nandalal chhed gayo re – Mughal-E-Azam [1960]
MD: Naushad; Lyrics: Shakeel Badayuni; Singer: Lata Mangeshkar
The naughty Krishna!
5. manmohan man me – Kaise Kahoon [1964]
MD: S D Burman; Lyrics: Shakeel Badayuni; Singers: Manna Dey, Suman Kalyanpur & Mohd. Rafi
The one who removes the thoughts from the mind is Manmohan. That is then deep meditation!
6. raina biti jaye, shyam na aaye – Amar Prem [1972]
MD: R D Burman; Lyrics: Anand Bakshi; Singer: Lata Mangeshkar
Anand Bakshi plays with the words shyam making it mean both Krishna as wella s evening.
7. kaanhaa bole naa, kaanhaa bole naa – Sangat [1976]
MD: Salil Chowdhury; Lyrics: Jaan Nisar Akhtar; Singers: Lata Mangeshkar & Manna Dey
Prakashchandra introduced me to this song in the bhajan list. Thank you Prakashji!
8. ae sakhi radhike banwari ho gayi – Jurmana [1979]
MD: R D Burman; Lyrics: Anand Bakshi; Singer: Lata Mangeshkar, Manna Dey
Isn’t it sweet the way it says that Radha loses herself while searching for Shyam? She searches for him everywhere and also finding him in everything, she ceases to be herself!
9. shyam rang ranga re – Apne Paraye [1980]
MD: Bappi Lahiri; Lyrics: Yogesh Singers: Yesudas, Chorus
Even he is one with Krishna and that also the whole day long!
10. saanware sunawo bansuri – Basera [1981]
MD: R. D. Burman; Lyrics: Gulzar; Singer: Lata Mangeshkar
So which are your favourite Krishna songs?
Enjoy the playlist here.
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sunheriyaadein
August 10, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Happy Janmashtami! 🙂
Great list, as always. I had never heard the one from Madam XYZ before. It’s a great song!
Last day of the week, have lots of things to close before the weekend. Will come back later with my set of songs
harveypam
August 10, 2012 at 5:45 pm
The early bird, eh?
Leave alone the song of Madam XYZ, I had not even heard of the movie.
Today, I really stole time to create this list. Guilty pleasure! 🙂
Now I have to recover the time used for this list.
raja
August 10, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Ah, lovely to see a Janmashtami list, Harvey, One of the good things about any list of yours is that there is invariably a song or two that’s new for me (if not more). And there are also songs that I last heard ages ago and have been off my radar since then. In the first category I’d put the Sangat song from the above list (song #7), in the second category, songs 8, 9 and 10. All lovely songs but I last heard then when the movie was released!!!
I see you’ve stuck to Krishna songs in prayer mode (whether explicit or implicit). Am sure there are many other songs out there but one song that comes top-of-mind to me is Meena Kumari singing to Krishna in Main Bhi Ladki Hoon. (And actually even the Daaera bhajan “devta tum ho mera sahara” is to Krishna).
harveypam
August 10, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Thanks Raja!
I am happy that I remind you or introduce to some songs. I must admit I have a strong weakness for ae sakhi radhike. Don’t ask me why, but it moves me a lot and the Sangat song was new to me till Prakashji introduced it to me last summer.
i never thought that the songs in the list are in prayer mode, in fact, I tried to stir away from them as far as possible, like for e.g. kanha, kanha aan padi me tere dwar, even though it was going ringing in my ears all the time. But you are right, they are, although some of them in tawaif genre, in sort of prayer mode.
Your govinda ala re from Bluffmaster (which you posted on facebook) would surely have been one totally different and enriched it and made it diverse!
krishna o kale krishna is a good mirror of the contradictions in India!
Lalitha
August 10, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Happy Janmashtami to everyone here! What a great idea to do a post on Krishna songs! I am in the middle of making dinner and then I have to get started on the ladoos, so I will come back here and post some of my favorites, including Banwari re jeene ka sahara …, but right now I don’t have the time to look for it on Youtube!
Looking forward to all the postings here, after I finish making (and eating!) the laddoos and everything else~
harveypam
August 10, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Send us also some laddoos please!
Here is the link to your favourite song: banwari re jeene ka sahara tera naam re
Dr. J. Gokhale
August 3, 2014 at 8:25 am
For a moment I wondered about Banwari re until I realised it is Banawaarie Re – it is not always easy, much less universal, to find a way to transcribe Indian words in Roman script but with a bit of effort one can make it more possible to avoid confusion. People mostly don’t, of course, it is often too much trouble. And then there is the various usages of Roman script by even the three major European languages. For instance I prefer to write ie instead of ee to transcribe the long i, as per German, since ie is less ambiguous.
Samir
August 11, 2012 at 6:06 am
Even though I am not particularly religious, similar to the Vijay character in Deewar who goes to the edge of a temple but usually does not enter it; I will not write a religious post but will happily comment on others. And of course, expect to be fed all the goodies 🙂
I used to be an atheist before I came to Wall Street and understood the power of hedging bets; and now I am an agnostic.
Happy Janmashtami to all.
My contributions :-
1) Amar Prem
2) Do not know the film, but with Shotgun & Bhagwan (at least one name fits)
3) How can Amitabh be behind
4) And last but not least, the best of them all; Shammi in Bluffmaster
harveypam
August 11, 2012 at 11:41 am
I myself don’t know if I am religious. Spirituality is what interests me more. The religious festivals are all the same a favourite of mine.
As you see the songs are about Krishna and all are not bhajans, but do have somehow a spiritual core.
bada natkhat hai re is a beautiful one. RDb used the same raga, Khamaj, for this one and raine beeti jaaye (combining it with Todi).
shor mach gaya shor is from Badla [1974] with Loin-Ajit and Moushumi Chaterjee and Mehmood. MD: L-P. According to imdb it is whodunit and sounds interesting.But knowing the treatment meted out to perfect whoodunits in Bollywood, I’m wary of it.
Didn’t we discuss mach gaya shor sari nagari re few posts back? I wonder what was the theme then? Maybe Parveen Babi. To be precise Parveen Babi in a sexy nine-yard sari! 😉
govinda aala re is the mother of all Gavinda songs in Hindi films, I think! Shammi in mawaali mode!
Unfortuantely in N. Bombay where I lived, we didn’t have any Govindas. Wonder if they have started now.
Thanks for your contributions, Samir!
Dr. J. Gokhale
August 3, 2014 at 8:31 am
Samir – re your “I used to be an atheist before I came to Wall Street and understood the power of hedging bets; and now I am an agnostic.” – the latter is not merely safer as in betting but also the more accurate position scientifically, since absence of proof is not proof of absence, and the latter is rather close to impossible when the question is about whether some concept of Divine holds any truth and perception thereof is not only possible but valid.
dustedoff
August 11, 2012 at 7:26 am
I’m so glad that little ‘conversation’ of ours led to this, Harvey! Thank you for this post. (and will you be surprised if I say that I’m listening to ‘Aan milo aan milo’ all over again?) 😉 I love that song so much. And I’m also loving the fact that you put in Mohe panghat pe – I’d forgotten about that one when I was thinking of Krishna songs. A lot of the other (later) songs in your list, I’m going to have to listen to again to jolt my memory… don’t remember some of them offhand.
Since you’re not restricting the ‘Krishna songs’ list to just bhajans, let me take the opportunity to bung in one of my favourite songs, regardless of genre: Madhuban mein Radhika naache re:
And here’s another nice one, from Azaad: Radha na bole na bole:
harveypam
August 11, 2012 at 11:53 am
Yeah, Madhu, if we hadn’t started our conversation in FB, I would never even have thought of writing this post.
aan milo aan milo is such an ear-worm isn’t it? I loved it even before I knew what it meant. Among other things I love the way Manna Dey picks up from Geeta’s …tum bin jiyara naa laage and sings ooooohhh jiyara naa laage eeee giving it that urgency and then falling in the melancholy of khoyi khoyi phire and then the longing in aan milo aan milo shyaam saanware And then the interesting interludes with that unknown instrument which makes it sound almost comic! Wonderful piece of composition! Jeeyo Sachinda, jeeyo
Madhu’s madhuban! I always think of you when I hear this song! Really! Yours is the face,w hich comes to my mind, when I listen to this song and then Dilip and Kumkum! Rafi’s voice is clear like a mountain stream! Wonderful!
radha na bole was on the eleventh position.Thanks for bringing it up. Lata makes this song sound so simple! One just marvels at her art.
Thank you Madhu for the inspiration and your contributions!
dustedoff
August 12, 2012 at 8:03 am
“Madhu’s madhuban! I always think of you when I hear this song! Really! Yours is the face, which comes to my mind, when I listen to this song and then Dilip and Kumkum! Rafi’s voice is clear like a mountain stream! Wonderful!”
I am feeling absurdly pleased that you should associate me with this song, Harvey! 🙂
harveypam
August 12, 2012 at 11:05 am
🙂
I really can’t help it!
chitrapatsangeet
August 11, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Brindaban Ka Krishna Kanhaiyya-Azaad
Kanha Ja Re-Tel Maalish Boot Polish
Radhike Tune Bansuri Churayi-Beti Bete
chitrapatsangeet
August 11, 2012 at 12:13 pm
manmohana bade jhoote-seema
chitrapatsangeet
August 11, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Darshan Do Ghanshyam – Ravi -(for all of those who think Ravi cant compose classical) 🙂
harveypam
August 11, 2012 at 12:42 pm
BEAUTIIIIIIIIFULL!!!!!
Ankhyan surely become pyaasi after listening to it!
dustedoff
August 12, 2012 at 8:03 am
Oh, yes! I love that one, Karthik. 🙂
harveypam
August 11, 2012 at 12:40 pm
It was right there on my list, but it slipped away! 😦
harveypam
August 11, 2012 at 12:39 pm
How could I forget kanha ja re form TMBP! It is one of my fav song! Thanks for mentioning it!
Radhike tune bansuri churayi is a lovely song. good that you mention it here. 🙂 Like it a lot too! What a velvety voice Rafi has!
brindaban ka krishna is also a lovely composition.
Subodh Agrawal
August 11, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Excellent post Harvey. All my favourite Krishna songs from the golden age are there in the post and the comments. I would however like to mention two songs from 2K’s: ‘Shyam rang bhar doon’ from Deepa Mehta’s water: http://youtu.be/3WWk2MapGPM; and ‘Mathura Nagarpati’ from Raincoat: http://youtu.be/OP5P2l9KoJs. I couldn’t find the video clip for the first song – it is a lovely Janmashtmi scene from the film. For the second song – a haunting melody by Shubha Mudgal – a video is available, but with poor audio. There have been some excellent songs in the period 2000 to 2010. Eighties and Nineties were the dry ones – at least in my opinion.
harvey
August 11, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Subodh, I know only few song post 90s from the Hindi films, thus I am very happy when kind souls like you introduce me to some of them.
shyam rang bhar doon is a breezy song by A. R. Rahman. From the words of it I thought it will be more on the lines of mora gora ang lai le. Not that it would have the same tune but subtle like it. Rahman makes the soil speak, such is his artistry!
Shobha Mudgal’s voice fascinates me a lot.
What a song! A really haunting piece. I think I will listen to it quite often today! (till now already twice!)
Subodh Agrawal
August 11, 2012 at 1:02 pm
How could I forget ‘Ja tose nahin bolun kanhaiya’ from Parivar!
harvey
August 11, 2012 at 1:11 pm
I echo you: How could I forget jaa tose nahin bolu kanhaiya? *fuming* 😉
I love this song a lot!
Arunkumar Deshmukh
August 11, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Harvey ji,
Here is one of my favourites from BIRAJ BAHU-1954-only Audio.
Jhoomm Jhoom Manmohan Re -By Hemant Kumar.
When you hear it it grow on you with its melody.
-AD
harveypam
August 12, 2012 at 10:41 am
Biraj Bahu does have a good score, but it looks like I haven’t heard all its songs as yet. This one was new for me. Soulful!
Thank you Arunji!
thandapani
August 11, 2012 at 6:45 pm
What I used to love most about festivals was the theme songs that played on the radio when I was young. Or I should say, when radio was the king of media, unlike these days when TV is king of media. Radio was non-intrusive in the sense that you did not have to sit constantly in front of it, yet it was pervasive as you could carry on with your work and let the song surround you.
I loved listening to ‘Krishna’ songs on Janmasthami, deshbhakti songs on 15 Aug and Rep Day, Rakhi songs on Rakhi, Holi and diwali songs on Holi and Diwali.
Now you have completed that lack of radio by coming up with a Krishna themed post on Janmasthami. Ek gana me bhi post karon, Murli bairan bhai
harveypam
August 12, 2012 at 10:49 am
Radios are really more practical than TV, that is right! I often used to listen to radio few years back. There is a very good channel here, which sends very informative programmes. But the last few years I prefer to have silence.
I still remember the festival oriented songs on VB. They were good, though on Rakhsa Bandhan it was a bit irritating to listen to bhaiya mere… for the umpteenth time.
“Now you have completed that lack of radio by coming up with a Krishna themed post on Janmasthami”
O that reminds me to make the play list. Thanks Ava!
Re.: Murali bairan bhai
You won’t believe this, but I think I was listening to this song on youtube at the time you were posting this. Such a fine song and lovely dance by Vyju! It is always a pleasure to see Vyju dance!
Thanks for the contribution, Ava!
Richard S.
August 12, 2012 at 12:57 am
Oh, there are so many good Krishna songs out there, how could a list like this not be good? And, of course, it is.
Here is a favorite of mine (Padmini, of course):
I also love this (with 13-year-old Kumari Kamala playing Krishna):
harveypam
August 12, 2012 at 11:02 am
Thanks Richard for your kind words! 🙂 and the Padmini song-dance!
I was hoping you would come up with one!
Padmini’s dances are alwaysa pleasure!
So this is from Payal. Am I right in assuming that this is the same film with the blind sister, who later on is not?
I remember the Meera sequence from our discussion with Anu on the first dream sequence in Hindi/Indian films. I was feelinga bit guilty of leaving out the songs of Meera (both from 1947 and 1979), but then I thought yoou wills urely bring in one! Ava had also posted mere to giridhar few days back on FB.
My fav from the movie is though the song daras bina dukha naa laage naa
Suchi
August 12, 2012 at 11:09 am
so many songs on krishna but this one is good hope you will like.
harveypam
August 13, 2012 at 12:53 am
That is an interesting one!
Do you remember how we used to make fun of the coughs of the pundit?
Thanks for your contribution!
bollyviewer
August 12, 2012 at 9:57 pm
A Krishna post and not a single Meera bhajan?! I was shocked!!! 😉 And then I realised that Richard and you have addressed that deficiency in the comments.
Its a lovely list, Harvey. Maane naa maane naa manmohana and Manmohan man me were new to me, and utterly delightful.
Naturally, I can’t resist adding more songs to the list – here they are:
Shyam teri bansi pukare
Radha ke pyare and Chali radhe rani – they’re sad songs, so probably not appropriate on this occasion, but still Krishna stuff!
harveypam
August 13, 2012 at 1:25 am
Welcome back Bollyviewer! Nice to have you back in the blogosphere!
Do feel free to add any Meera bhajans you like! 🙂
I am glad that I could introduce you to maane naa maane na and manmohan man me! Love both of them very much!
shyam teri bansi pukare radha naam was very popular in those days. Thanks for reminding me of it.
I had completely forgotten about radha ke pyaare.
I had thought of adding chali radhe rani but then I thought it is so much more about Radha rather than Krishna, that is why I left it out. Thus, I am so ver ymuch happy that you did bring it on the list.
Anu Warrier
August 13, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Harvey, I was just wondering if anyone would do a post on Janmashtami (I gave up after thinking of the obvious ones – I’m still recovering from a severe concussion) and here you are with a list. Thank you so much.
harveypam
August 13, 2012 at 2:00 pm
O dear!!!!
I hope you are alright!
Please do take care! You are in India now or in the US?
I wish you fast recovery!
You asked for a post and here it is. But the first thign for you now is to recover soon and be healthy and strong!
*hugs*
Get well soon!
Songs Of Yore
August 13, 2012 at 7:29 pm
What a grand re-entry! Krishna lore is endless. There are three distinct Krishna’s – Child-Krishna, Lover-Krishna and Divine-Krishna. You do seem to have some fascination for the Divine-Krishna. Until I read your post, I did not associate Aan milo aan milo and Aaj sajan mohe ang laga le as Krishna songs. I had always regarded them as songs of the wandering minstrels, which are mystical and non-denominational. My favourite Krishna is the naughty lover, the raas-leela Krishna, which is part of so much of our folk music and dance, as also Kathak dance. Let me add two of my favourite Krishna songs of this type, which no one had mentioned so far:
Jamuna kinare jhilmil kare taare jahan bansuri bajaye Josoda ka lalna by Mana Dey
Kanha bajaye bansuri by Lata Mangeshkar
You have included my favourite top teasing Krishna song Mohe panghat pe. Naushad has cretaed a masterpiece. But Naushad-Shakeel Badayuni should have acknowledged the original. Many years ago Indubala had sung this in a somewhat different Raga.
Mohe panghat pe Nandlal by Indubala
Finally Daras bina dukhan lage, I am hearing MS Subbalaxmi version for the first time. Juthika Roy version has been my long favourite.
Daras bina dukhan lage nain Prabhuji by Juthika Roy
harveypam
August 13, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Thank you AK!
You are right, I do seem to have chosen more of the songs of Divine-Krishna. I never thought of these three aspects, I just chose them according to my liking. The distinction between the three is also so hard to make. for e.g., aaj sajan mohe ang laga lo could be classfied in lover-Krishna as well as Divine-Krishna.
The mystical aspect is very much true and Krishna or Shiva or Jesus are just names for me as well. After all they are just pointers to the only one all-pervading!
jamuna kinare jhilmil kare taare was totally knew for me. Beautiful!
I am so glad you posted kanhaa bajaaye bansuri, because I wanted to include it in my post but had to leave it out. Love it!
I had often heard and read about Indubala’s rendition of mohe panghat be nandalal, but never came around to search for it. Thanks to you, I had the chance. Thank you! It is lovely!
Juthika Roy’s rendition of daras bina dukh na lage nain is phenomenal. My favourite Meera bhajan recital is by Lata Mangeshkar composed by her brother Hridaynath Mangeshkar.
Thanks for your contributions!
Dr. J. Gokhale
August 3, 2014 at 8:11 am
While names and forms are real at one level, their being forms of one Divine is indeed the higher or deeper truth (again, higher and deeper are separate only in context of a planet, and same when away from one out in the universal space), and this being understood generally in India is inherent in songs of general Radha-Krishna traditional songs or Baul tradition, and specifically in the Baul song portrayed there mentioned above, Aaj Sajan Mohe, where the two aspects are shown together and there is no contradiction – the Baul singer on street is singing to her Krishna whom her Baul group and generally devotees see as Divine, lover and everything, while the woman awakened to the nobility of the poet who saved her is seeing him as her saviour and object of impossible wish that just might come true and the song fits her heart’s situation of the moment too.
chitrapatsangeet
August 15, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Harvey, have you heard “O Krishna You are the greatest musician of this world”?
harveypam
August 15, 2012 at 11:19 pm
No, that is completely new for me!
Do you have a link?
chitrapatsangeet
August 16, 2012 at 1:38 am
This is the greatest tribute to Krishna’s musical powers!!
Yeh gaana nahin suna, to kya suna? (dont curse me :D, thoda pakaane ka mood tha)
harveypam
August 16, 2012 at 3:00 pm
😀
pakao yaar pakao, tumhara pakane ke din hai aur hamare pakne ke!
😀
Shilpi Bose
August 16, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Late as usual, but this post has been an eye opener particularly the Sangat song, thanks for introducing us to it, I had no idea that there was a film called Sangat and of course had never heard the song. I really love Lata’s rendition.
Here is my Krishna song it is from Parakh-Bansi Kyon Gaaye, I was searching for it on you tube but could not find it, it is a beautiful dance number performed by Nishi but what I did find on you tube was both the Bengali and Hindi versions of the song. Being a Bengali I prefer the Hindi version for Lata Mangeshkar’s pronunciations of some of the Bengali words does not appeal to my Bengali ears, all the same the song is a treat.
harveypam
August 16, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Thank you Shilpi!
I hope you are feeling well now!
The Sangat song is fantastic, isn’t it? Prakashchandra introduced it to me, so the thanks goes to him!
The Parakh song is beautiful!
I remember watching it often on youtube. Sad, that the video with Hindi version is not available any more. But I had never heard the Bangla version of the song! Do you know by any chance which was earlier? Was it used for dubbing Parakh in Bangla?
Shilpi Bose
August 17, 2012 at 8:48 am
I have no one around me to clarify but as far as I know the Bengali version came first, you see what usually happened and probably still happens special Bengali songs are recorded for Durga Puja these usually became superhits so Bengali music directors like Salil Chowdhury, Hemant Kumar, RD and SD Burman used these compositions for Hindi films a case in point is Kishore Kumar’s Bengali song Aakash Keno Daake, it has the same tune as Yeh Shaam Mastani, the Bengali version has beautifuly lyrics by Mukul Dutt who later directed Aan Milo Sajna.
Here is the link
harveypam
August 17, 2012 at 10:14 am
Yes, of course the puja discs!
I have heard about them and their popularity in Bengal! That must be something! Is this tradition carried ahead even now?
While reading RDB’s biography, I came across many such examples, where man of his hits, were originally from Puja records.
I think nearly all of his musical score of Amar Prem was mostly from the Bengali film Rajkumari. thanks for reminding me of it, Shilpi!
lovehindimusic
August 17, 2012 at 11:30 am
Your post are so complete in themselves that leave nothing to contribute from our side.Krishn ki yehi khoobi hei…divine,lover,naughty,kid,infant,preacher,warrior..kaun sa aisa roop hei jo uska nahi…Aur sabhi dukho ko harne wala…one such song which I like is..
harveypam
August 17, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Thank you for your kind words LHM! That is extremely nice of you to say that.
Krishna is the entirety, the whole Universe, so he has many roles.
This bhajan from Phool aur Patthar is beautiful!
Thanks for your contribution!
Dr. J. Gokhale
August 3, 2014 at 7:56 am
Offhand two songs come to mind (didn’t read through all the comments, only most) that are bhakti not in the sense understood outside India but in the sense of deep intimacy of devotee with deity inherent and subconsciously comprehended in India – it is a child with mother relationship rather than of slave and master – and the songs are
Bade Bhole Ho from Ardhangini
Manamohana Bade Jhoothe from Seema
and there is a twist about the latter one – it is about Krishna only in the word Mohana which is always identified with him, however, the first paragraph description of behaviour fits with the legend of Shiva throwing away the game when losing to wife Parvati and not admitting defeat; but it is not a contradiction in any sense, for two reasons. One, such behaviour is probably common to most males (not admitting defeat when facing one from one’s wife or perhaps any woman – recall Leonard in Big Bang Theory losing to Penny when it is a game of chess played to teach her, and she wins at first shot?); and two, the separation of forms of Divine is not concrete but only as firm as – say – that of various oceans of earth and their names.